喺東京嘅人:依家點算

産経新聞:東京で放射線量20倍の観測…さいたまは40倍

當東京都發現有輻射果陣,第一件事,香港政府應該不惜任何代價撤僑。昨天我講at all cost,就係擔心呢樣嘢。我雖然返咗香港,但我對日本事態可能發展方向嘅了解,至少俾特區啲膠官醒。

依家要派包機走,仲有一個現實考慮,就係輻射問題,因為呢班人落機全部要即時接受輻射檢測,港府亦可以派出輻射方面嘅專家隨機。但好明顯,保安局班豬腦唔會諗呢個問題。香港無錯唔會受天氣影響,硬食福島輻射,但東京返嚟啲人有可能有輻射嘛。

第二件事,叫李少光自己搵把武士刀剖腹把。

當然,依家唔好靠保安局以至中國使館,如果持BNO人士,都係搵英國使館,喺領事保護上,英國公民同BNO係一樣,依家唔好搵命搏同我講民族主義。至於無BNO嘅,打電話去航空公司,改由大阪、名古屋返嚟,然後坐東海道新幹線離開東京先講,吸輻射線呢家嘢唔係好玩。

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22 responses to “喺東京嘅人:依家點算

  1. S

    http://www.australia.or.jp/en/news/#20110315
    Australia has the only Commonwealth or EU country to have a representation in Tohoku.

  2. 世澤兄,睇星期一既《AM730》先知道你地震當日係東京, 一切安好嗎?

  3. martinoei 黃世澤

    To bittermelon:

    正如我在《關東地震記事》所講,東京的情況與實際災區相比,己經好好,我都總算能平安自力回港。

  4. S

    British nationals, including BN(O)s stranded in northeast Honshu can also approach the Australian consulate in Sendai and their teams. They’re working together with the Canadian, British, NZ and American consular staffs to locate and identify nationals.

  5. Jigsaw

    Recall一下何鍾泰既偉論(左右大局):

    「….咁核電廠又係廠,都係一間廠之嘛,一間廠周不時都會有機器故障啦,如果咩事都要公布咪好麻煩!?一間廠咁多機器,有嘢壞好平常……廠梗係咁架啦。」

  6. Jacky Lim

    叫何鍾泰搬去鹿頸住吧!!

  7. GoLuckyRyan

    I think Mr. wong, should clam down a bit. i am now in Tokyo, and i am a PhD student study on nuclear physics.

    the radioactivity in Tokyo is 0.89uSv/hr. when a human absorbed 0.5Sv, he will have temporary white blood cell decrease. therefore, for have harmful effect, people have to expose in Tokyo for 580,000 hours or 56 years.

    a normal, or background radiation is 0.4uSv/hr.

    that is the situation in Tokyo.

  8. GoLuckyRyan

    for does under 0.25Sv, there is no clinical effect. thus, the current level in tokyo, people can live for 28 years without any health problem by radiation.

    1 more thing is, radiation will decay or fade away.

    now, the NHK reported that the nuclear plant is under control but the cooling need time. there is no more radiation increase in the nuclear plant.

  9. martinoei 黃世澤

    To GoLuckyRyan:

    1. 如果有小孩子,我根本不認為應該受這種輻射照射

    2. 法、德等國政府不是傻的

    3. 福島事態你認為可以有效控制,東京電力似乎越來越不可信任。我無法判斷,東京電力向外交代的一切,有多少是真話。

  10. lantern

    > now, the NHK reported that the nuclear plant is under control but the
    > cooling need time. there is no more radiation increase in the nuclear plant.
    GoLuckyRyan: 我都希望呢個已經係最壞嘅情況。

  11. World Travler Plus

    The British Embassy has established a Consular Response Centre in Sendai, at the ANA Holiday Inn, located at 1-4-1 Shintera Wakabayashi-ku, Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture, 984-0051 Japan. The Holiday Inn’s telephone number is (+81) 22 256 5111, if calling from the UK, or 022 256 5111, if calling from Japan.

  12. “但東京返嚟啲人有可能有輻射嘛。"
    要找Radiation Board的人員來協助測量. 他們很專業的.

  13. GoLuckyRyan

    no matter Tokyo electricity lie or not, the radiation can be monitor and figure don’t lie. and radiation is not a SARS or as danger as you think. we have many radiation around us, even we take flight from tokyo back to HK, the radiation is about 0.6uSv per hour, compare to tokyo radiation level 0.89uSv/hr, and HK radiation level 0.4uSv/hr. you may think, Wow, it is 50% more for taking airplane. yes, it is, but the does for having any clinical effect is 0.5Sv. an analogy is, we knew many things are poison, like H202, or Cl in breach. but we have to take hug among of it to be affected. Human body is a miracle things, we can sustain certain level of hazard. so, i think better not create panic. otherwise, there are too many thing to panic. like taking a flight back to HK.

    at last word, tokyo is not a hell.

  14. 持書者

    Tokyo is not a hell yet

    其實好多engine仔會死既原因. 就係佢地唔明白過去業績不代表未來. engine仔係唔講未來的..笑

    而家東電的問題係佢隱瞞咗令大家估計未來東京或日本其他地區輻射量的資料

    (一般人rating風險 未來都係比較唔重要 但係人命人人都係得一條….)

  15. lantern

    GoLuckyRyan: I think the point is not on whether the radiation measurement lies or not. It’s whether the professional judgement and forecast is adequate and whether all the facts occurring inside the nuclear reactors have been disclosed to the public. Just like the news I got this morning, all of a sudden I was told that all 6 reactors on site have overheating problems. What if the rest of the reactors need sea water to cool down and cause further hydrogen explosions? Will they leak any more radiation? I think this is what layman public wants to know. If the professional judgement and forecast is too optimistic (in order to help the govt and the electricity giants minimise the impact to the public’s confidence in nuclear power), when the unforeseen issue really comes, with the “help" of the weather, it could be too late to evacuate.

    I really admire the people in Tokyo having so much confidence in the authorities to resolve this nuclear disaster. This is a critical opportunity for the authorities to prove that nuclear power is feasible in such an earthquake and tsunami prone country, which I always don’t believe.

  16. GoLuckyRyan

    i really, don’t know how to say. when the radiative level was monitor by many people, Japan Meteorological Agency, many Laboratories, and many Universities, including Tokyo U. and also other countries.

    that why they evacuate people inside 30km from the power plant, as soon as a change of radiation, people have enough time to move. there is nothing to predict, they monitor. when you look at the speed meter of your car, are you predicting?

    it seems that, when the figures, and monitors are pointing a non-urgent, safety case, then people don’t want to believe. and create rumor like somebody must hiding something. when the fact does not fit people expectation, they like to create some behind story, to fit their judgement.

    if people like to think everything is fake, everyone is lying, then you already in hell.

    i just bet you all to look at the fact, not rumor, as rumor is more attractive and impressive. a sad fact is, HK media only shows terror, fear and chaos, spreading eye-catching rumors instead of the facts and scientific evidents.

    the last thing is, radiation is everywhere, please don’t panic when hear “radiation". in most volcano eruption, the radiation level will increase 20 times to 40 times, but this is normal. when we were small, watching Big TV also have a lot radiation. when the solar black spot increase, the radiation also increase several time, but that are all normal.

    if we always drink distill water, drink boiled tape water will not harm.

  17. GoLuckyRyan

    法、德等國政府不是傻的 <– of course, because calling people back, will never harm, is it? just like i say, drinking distill water will not harm. even there is nothing happen for drinking tape water.

    on the other hand, if you don't call people back, if something really happen, people will blame you, and you need to take the responsibly somehow.

    the cost for calling people back is zero. but for not calling people back, is potentially non-zero.

    i agree they are smart.

  18. lantern

    Well, GoLuckyRyan, if you want to simply rely on measurements and leave only when it reaches the health risk threshold, it’s entirely up to you… Evacuate 13 million people from Tokyo is an extremely challenging business. How fast could one move when everyone is ordered to be evacuated? I bet no one knows for sure. If there’s a burst of radiation from the plant and the wind blows towards Tokyo you guys will only have a few hours to evacuate. If I’m you I’d rather take a week off, move east when the transportation is still available and wait until the plant has been stabilized. I wish you the best of luck and again, I sincerely hope that such a scenario won’t happen in Tokyo!

  19. lantern

    oops… I should say move west instead of east. ha ha.

  20. lantern

    Pls note that I’m no longer talking about yesterday’s reading. I’m talking about what may happen in the future. Your previous comments seem to assume that yesterday’s momentarily surge of radiation is the worst case scenario… As 持書者 said, you only got one life to live. Better be safe than sorry. Good luck!

  21. 飛蚊導彈

    GoLuckyRyan:
    Although the radiation level in Tokyo area may not have harmful effect on human health,I think you, as a nuclear physics student/graduate, should know about the ALARA (ALARP) pricinple in radiation safety, which suggested that the radiation dose absorbed by human body should be kept “as low as resonably achievable (practicable)".
    The target audiences of this blog is HK people. For HK people in Japan, going home as soon as possible to avoid places with elevated radiation level is totally “reasonably achievable".
    For the HK gov’t, issuing black travel warning to the whole Kanto area, which is heavily damaged by earthquake and tsunami, as well as having a elevated radiation level , is also a measure which is “reasonably achievable".
    From the above, I don’t see a point why and how Mr Oei(Spelling for surename Wong in Indonesia)’s suggestion on leaving Japan/Tokyo is inappropriate.

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