十一月 12, 2009...6:20 pm

初評Immigration Bill 2009

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http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/legislation/simplification-project-draft-bil/draft-immigration-bill?view=Binary

呢份喺2009年11月12日發出嘅法案草案初稿,認真粗略,而且都寫得頗亂,要消化絕對係要相當時間,不過,小弟依家睇Immigration Bill 2009,有啲地方係可堪再三推敲。

A. 定義遊戲

根據草案嘅339條,UK Passport係咁定義:

“United Kingdom passport” means a passport issued by—
(a) the Government of the United Kingdom,
(b) the Lieutenant-Governor of any of the Islands, or
(c) the Government of any territory whiBritish overseas territory.

BN(O)喺新嘅Immigration Bill下肯定係UK passport持有人,仲有以下兩樣嘢:

“national” includes citizen;
“nationality” includes citizenship;

咁玩法背後有乜微言大義,小弟又係要再三推敲,但可以肯定,British nationality includes British citizenship,如果照Section 339咁解,絕對又可以玩餐死。

B. EEA公民定義

英國好明顯睇到BN(O)變成歐盟公民是勢不可擋,所以喺EEA居民定義果度出古惑,而且係勁古惑果隻

3 EEA entrants
(1) For the purposes of this Act, “EEA entrant” means a person in relation to whom
condition A or B is met.
(2) Condition A is met if the person—
(a) is not a national of the United Kingdom,
(b) is a national of another EEA state or a national of Switzerland, and
(c) is entitled to enter and stay in the United Kingdom by virtue of any
provision made under section 2(2) of the European Communities Act
1972 (“the 1972 Act”).
(3) Condition B is met if the person—
(a) is not a national of an EEA state or of Switzerland, and
(b) by virtue of the person’s relationship with a national of an EEA state or
of Switzerland, is entitled to enter and stay in the United Kingdom by
virtue of any provision made under section 2(2) of the 1972 Act.
(4) For the purposes of subsections (2) and (3), a person is a national of the United
Kingdom if the person falls to be treated as a national of the United Kingdom
for the purposes of the Community Treaties.

a. Condition A一開始就講明不能是national of the United Kingdom,即係不能係聯合王國國民。
b. 喺subsection (4)果度,當一個人係被當成歐盟條約用途嘅英國國民時,就當你係EEA National嚟處理。

呢個做法,真係狗到唔恨,如果BNO唔打官司打爆歐盟公民定義問題,英國政府可以唔找數,由得歐洲其他國家吸納BNO持有人,但如果真係有人打官司,英國政府並且輸埋官司,都唔需要立即俾番BNO英國公民身份,用Immigration Bill 2009 Section 3嘅技術性條款,一炮過解決直布羅陀BOTC,有RoA嘅British Subject果堆問題,唔需要修改英國國籍法,甚至即俾BNO居英權又得,用A National of the United Kingdom for the purposes of the Community Treaties就得,進可攻退可守,狗到無朋友。

C. ECHR兼容性

如果要打官司,呢部分務必仔細研究,發掘到漏洞唔好講到咁揚,可以通過後立即告英國政府玩謝佢。或者喺議會審議階段果陣講出嚟,又得。

我估等我無咁忙,慢慢嘔份詳評出嚟。

14個回應

  • Martin

    即係呢份野政府故意製造 Loop hole ?

  • martinoei 黃世澤

    可以咁講,呢份嘢有啲故意搞出嚟嘅loop hole,呢啲loop hole係俾英國政府有位可走。

    我諗呢個係英國等到《里斯本條約》過咗去推出嘅原因,因為如果ECA 1972夠力,IA 1971係頂得住。

  • 照Martin推測,英國想自己上世紀d蘇州屎,要EU幫佢掃?

    不過EEA national係英國自由出入;不過同BC比,權利仲係有少少距離。

  • 就算 BN(O) 變成歐盟公民, 冇得過比仔女都係冇用 XD

  • martinoei 黃世澤

    To 田中:

    依家英國擺明係要成個歐盟幫佢掃蘇州屎。

    To TFChan:

    BN(HK)A 1990有部分BC都有仔女無英籍問題,英國唔搞掂佢就英國嘅醫院將會好好賺

  • (4) For the purposes of subsections (2) and (3), a person is a national of the United
    Kingdom if the person falls to be treated as a national of the United Kingdom
    for the purposes of the Community Treaties.

    ——————————–

    I think you have misunderstood the statement. If BN(O) is treated as EU citizen by the EU, he is considered that he is ” a national of the United Kingdom”.

    Therefore, BN(O) meets neither condition A nor condition B. So BN(O) is not considered at an “EEA Entrant” according to the new bill.

    If BN(O) is NOT an EU citizen (according to the EU), BN(O) also do not fall into conditions A or B.

  • If I read it right, subsection 4 clarifies the definition of a national of UK.

    That is :-
    If a national of UK is to be treated so for the purpose of community treaties, then this national of UK neither fulfills A nor B.

    Or else, a national of UK does not fulfill any of these conditions.

    The UK government is just playing another set of tricks to exclude us again.

  • 這種對國民維持模稜兩可的定義,英國政府真的很”不該”。

  • 佢地根本就無人性
    禽獸不如

  • re: magath
    rushing to judgement is never a good idea.
    mind you britain is a small country.

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7226&edition=2&ttl=20091113072200

  • and there are far more people who know english than french, german, finnish or even spanish

  • If Britain are small country, they should tell their ancestry don’t occupy any colony and then ignore their responsibility with a list of excuse.

    Portugal,Holland are also small countries, but they never forget their basic responsibility.

  • 要威威果陣就大英帝國, 要埋單找數果陣就叫自己做small country

  • 唉….o的英國國籍解釋真係令人混亂
    咁樓主你覺得初部睇黎BNO有冇轉機?


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